All things shrooms

[Observer]

I bought the substrate that is currently in use. I did that before saw the recipe you posted.

I made a coco/vermiculite 50/50 ratio to use as a casing for the pans cyans once I get to that stage. I added 1 twist to it though. 2 tablespoons of Mrs Wage's Pickling Lime per batch - It's supposed to raise the pH enough to make it harder to contaminate. Since the casing is similar to the substrate recipe, I will probably make my own in the future.

We have a 9qt insta-pot that I can use for sterilization. It can also pressure can up to 6 qt jars.

I bought a magic mushroom cookbook. There are many things (including blue juice) that I want to try. Lemon Tek was good. It came on faster for sure. Dosing was about 2.5 grams for me and 1.5 grams for my wife.

Add ginger to help settle stomach

 

[MiGrampa]

somewhere deep on a shroomery binge one night i came across discussions about different alkaloids being responsible for the nausea. psilocin and psilocybin themselves aren't the culprit, so it has to be something else that's in the fruit bodies. without knowing what that something else is, though, it's rather difficult to isolate away from it in any kind of extraction.

similar to poppies and mescaline-containing cacti, except in those cases the alkaloids one aims to extract are much easier to isolate without picking up unwanted alkaloids vs mushrooms where we're dealing with very small amounts of the active compounds we desire and an unknown quantity of compounds we don't.

the nausea thing is not unique to psilocybes, though. technically any edible mushroom should be cooked before ingestion. shitakes, portabellos, oysters, lions mane, etc all contain compounds that can cause stomach issues to varying degrees, and those compounds are all volatile at the levels of heat we typically cook at. wouldn't surprise me if psilocybes are the same.

to add to this theory, wood loving actives are known to cause wood lover's paralysis, and some unofficial crowdsource research has indicated taking benadryl (diphenhydramine) can counteract or entirely reverse the paralysis. going on that path indicates that it's likely a histamine that is causing the nausea, and in wood lover's case, paralysis, and a simple antihistamine is all that's needed to alleviate those symptoms.

We always have benadryl on hand so an antihistamine is always available.

I was more under the impression that it had to do with the mushroom fiber and not so much any alkaloids. It would be interesting to see if that would work. It's possible though. One side-effect I get is a runny nose. Benadryl would help with that for sure.

 

[dean1963]

how does one start growing shrooms?
what kind of setup would someone need?
cost?

 

[MiGrampa]

how does one start growing shrooms?
what kind of setup would someone need?
cost?

If you're already growing cannabis indoors in a tent, you likely have a good part of what you need. I bought some sterlight plastic storage tubs and a "Still Air Box." Equipment cost is likely around $100 for me since I'm using by flower tent for the shrooms right now. I have less than $100 in spores/liquid culture.

All together between $200-$300 for me so far. I haven't broken the bank.

 

[Aqua Man]

its cheap depending on how you want to do it and how far you want to take it. I mean im just using small monotubes with coco/verm. Doing my grain in jars.

 

[Observer]

You can do It for whatever it cost you to get spores or so, and if you have the things in your house already.

Every little better way you do a a step/sterilization increase you're % of success


You can do this shit for 0 dollars or $1000s

 

[Observer]

I believe its the chitin that’s responsible for moat of it.

Seen that somewhere as well


The damn chitin.

 

[dean1963]

i know zero about growing shrooms but am interested.
is it possible to grow bad ones? as in poison?

 

[MiGrampa]

i know zero about growing shrooms but am interested.
is it possible to grow bad ones? as in poison?

You're far more likely to find poison mushrooms if you're out hunting for them. If you're purchasing your spores from a reputable place, the chance is almost zero.

 

[dean1963]

is there a site i can go to that has a mushroom grow bible for dummies?
or a book i could get somewhere, if they still make books that is

 

[Aqua Man]

is there a site i can go to that has a mushroom grow bible for dummies?
or a book i could get somewhere, if they still make books that is

The shroomery is a pretty good source… its not hard to learn…. The difficulty comes from trying keep sterile. You can do it on the cheap it just adds a bit lore risk.

Im about $100-200 in costs. That will give me an endless supply. I bought rye berries, the totes and the genetics and the rest i had kicking around

 

[Observer]

is there a site i can go to that has a mushroom grow bible for dummies?
or a book i could get somewhere, if they still make books that is

Shroomery has a pdf old time grow bible

I prefer modern sources but the basics never change.

Apparently shroomery is highly regarded for myco forum

 

[MiGrampa]

is there a site i can go to that has a mushroom grow bible for dummies?
or a book i could get somewhere, if they still make books that is

I've read some stuff online but to the point here ... most of what I have learned has come from this thread. The hardest part is controlling the environment. (sound familiar?) For my cannabis grows, a lot of what I've invested in are environmental controls. Since I already have that (UIS 69 Pro), the rest is pretty easy. It's just a matter or reading and then doing what you read.

You will want to read up a bit on sterile mycology techniques. I'm using Uncle Ben's rice tek for one run and all in one bags for another. I innoculated rye-berry bags for the pans cyans. Each is similar but yet different techniques.

 

[Observer]

@ineedmygranny

I mean, I'm attempting it right now the containers and coco and stuff I have from cannabis growing, and jars

Bought some rice, and spores, ISO/disinfectant

I've had mycellium grow but nothing successful all the way to fruiting yet, one round was out of my control thought, and ive attempted a more sterile approach with that I also have to work with.

I've got a new round im feeling pretty good/confident about

I may just get the mycellium fully grown this time, and then gotta mess/learn around the fruiting part.

 

[dean1963]

so sterile is the biggest issue?
i assume that would rule out an outdoor shed then.

 

[Aqua Man]

so sterile is the biggest issue?
i assume that would rule out an outdoor shed then.

Nope because grains are in jars or bags and if doing a monotub you stuff the holes with poly. You do want a higher humidity if you can but many ways to achieve that like @tobh is doing a martha tent. My monotubs are currently just sitting in a room. Hell a shelf in a closet is enough for jars and a tub.

I may build a fruiting chamber in the future but as of now im on the cheap…. I feel as though i should have started with a different genetic to show because this PE like oks ridiculous on the first flush

 

[moe.red]

Nope because grains are in jars or bags and if doing a monotub you stuff the holes with poly. You do want a higher humidity if you can but many ways to achieve that like @tobh is doing a martha tent. My monotubs are currently just sitting in a room. Hell a shelf in a closet is enough for jars and a tub.

I may build a fruiting chamber in the future but as of now im on the cheap…. I feel as though i should have started with a different genetic to show because this PE like oks ridiculous on the first flush

Ridiculous how? Penis shaped?

 

[Aqua Man]

Ridiculous how? Penis shaped?

Nope first flush is all blobs… this is common apparently but apparently also potent blobs

 

[Aqua Man]

Just do a google search of PE blobs and you’ll see endless pics of this…. But apparently they are potent lol

 

[moe.red]

Yeah, I've read you can even eat the mycelium like cake and it is potent as well. Never tried it, but on certain ones that do this that's what the say.

If I had that I might try to do a water extraction and make liquid to clean out the substrate.

 

[Aqua Man]

Yeah, I've read you can even eat the mycelium like cake and it is potent as well. Never tried it, but on certain ones that do this that's what the say.

If I had that I might try to do a water extraction and make liquid to clean out the substrate.

Never thought of that. Im curious what the second flush will look like. But man these genetics are sooo slow fruiting

 

[tobh]

for inquiring minds https://www.shroomery.org/8421/Panaeolus-cyanescens-FAQ

 

[Observer]

So my apartment is 89f

How fucked is this round of mycellium...

 

[Aqua Man]

So my apartment is 89f

How fucked is this round of mycellium...

Should be fine… put em on the floor maybe it will be cooler

 

[Observer]

Should be fine… put em on the floor maybe it will be cooler

Thank you

I was thinking I could also just maybe put them in the fridge and just "deactive" them till conditions are right

(?)
And just resume when I can.

However the red one is growing.

 

[Aqua Man]

Thank you

I was thinking I could also just maybe put them in the fridge and just "deactive" them till conditions are right

(?)
And just resume when I can.

However the red one is growing.

The floor will be cool and suck the heat from the whatever you place on it… think of it as a giant heatsink

 

[MiGrampa]

for inquiring minds https://www.shroomery.org/8421/Panaeolus-cyanescens-FAQ

Good information. I am going to bookmark it so I can get back to it easily. I'm in the beginning of attempting pans cyans.

 

[tobh]

Good information. I am going to bookmark it so I can get back to it easily. I'm in the beginning of attempting pans cyans.

i'll be right behind ya. i'm gonna say fuckit and make up some rye over the weekend and just use the SAB for inoculation. Might pick up some plywood and build the flow hood too as i need to get some new agar plates made up and cultures started.

right now I just lack a table to put the flow hood on, so that's my own reservation with getting it built. suppose a run to costco would alleviate that issue but that's a hassle I'm not ready to deal with again just yet

 

[tobh]

Dial time.. I need to figure out a couple issues, but right now just getting a baseline on FAE requirements and how well the controller is going to function.

First major issue: I need a large air intake at the top of the tent. I figure I'll grab a cheap car cabin filter that fits the dimensions I need, which are roughly 9"x13". This will be mounted on the left side on top of the tent. The intake air will redirect the fog into a more uniform pattern me thinks.

Second: I need some waterproof computer fans to get some circulation going in there. Sure this will be problematic when I have shrooms blow their load but I think one per shelf will help move the CO2 off the substrate surface and into the outgoing airflow.

Right now I'm testing the time from when the humidifier shuts off to coming back on while the exhaust fan is running constantly on low. If I can get this dialed in, FAE will not be an issue. Temps are a whole other struggle I've not addressed yet but I think running the dehumidifier in the garage will help a lot with that, as the cannabis tent next door will 100% require it.

 

[Aqua Man]

If your thinking of starting this is a good read.

http://permabox.ressources-permaculture.fr/3-PRODUCTION---SAVOIR-FAIRE-ET-TECHNIQUES/CULTIVER/CHAMPIGNONS/English-docs/Psilocybin.mushroom.handbook.-.Easy.indoor.and.outdoor.cultivation.223.p.pdf

 

[Observer]

Ac fixed

 

[Max]

Yeah, I've read you can even eat the mycelium like cake and it is potent as well. Never tried it, but on certain ones that do this that's what the say.

If I had that I might try to do a water extraction and make liquid to clean out the substrate.

Yeah I’ve eaten mycelium..tastes like chicken

 

[Observer]

Mycellium

 

[Observer]

Both UB bags have mycellium, one more than the other.

This has mycellium as well.

 

[MiGrampa]

If your thinking of starting this is a good read.

http://permabox.ressources-permaculture.fr/3-PRODUCTION---SAVOIR-FAIRE-ET-TECHNIQUES/CULTIVER/CHAMPIGNONS/English-docs/Psilocybin.mushroom.handbook.-.Easy.indoor.and.outdoor.cultivation.223.p.pdf

I have a paperback copy of it already. It is a good read ...

 

[Observer]

Aaaand the albino a+ as well


Can't see it for shit on this camera but it's there lol

 

[Oldsog]

I know i bit about growing them.

 

[Observer]

I know i bit about growing them.
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Hell yea

 

[MiGrampa]

@Aqua Man

In your opinion, about how much longer before I should be thinking of harvesting? This is about day 3 since I noticed any pinning.

 

[Aqua Man]

@Aqua Man

In your opinion, about how much longer before I should be thinking of harvesting? This is about day 3 since I noticed any pinning.

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What genetic again?

Pick just as the veil is stretched and almost broken. If you see gills just pick immediately because you dont want spores to drop in the soawn if you can help it.

Im thinking about a week but depends some are faster than others