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I said K but had it the wrong way.

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moe.red said:
all sounds good man.

Healthy growing plants like high k. On a target mix of 300 ppm about a third could be k. I like it closer to 60 k and 250 ppm total when they are young tho. But it’s harder to overfeed than underfeed k.

If you get them really drinking lower ppm is better. Think of the way smoke does it.

I use gh flora so I have 3 bottles to your 2 or 1 really at this stage. I sure hope that mix is right because I don’t see an easy way to change your ratios other than dropping the potassium silicate and koh.
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i understand, so go small until the plant askes for more.

it's sounding more like i'll have a change out rather then a top off then.

Co2 is 729...
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pics from just now...

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moe.red said:
If you reaaaaaly want to know for sure

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Test the sap is the only way to know for sure. Other than that you got a bunch of stoners trying to play Sherlock Holmes.
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dang thats a pricy way to measure the sap!!! i'll have to sleep on that one before an impulse buy.

i'm gonna mix up a few gallon samples tonight and make sure i have my numbers correct.

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Inefficient roots. The ones circled are the area to watch. If the plant is happy they will double daily. And add more.
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i agree, sub par and not what i wanted.. those couple side shoots have been the very first that plant has had, and today is the first time i saw them. the other plant has a few more side roots but still not acceptable.

i'll get this same photo in 24 hours and see whats up..

i'm gonna mix some agsil and koh in water at different amounts and see what kind of numbers i get.. maybe this will help determine my next ratios.
 
Stoneyluv said:
dang thats a pricy way to measure the sap!!! i'll have to sleep on that one before an impulse buy.

i'm gonna mix up a few gallon samples tonight and make sure i have my numbers correct.



i agree, sub par and not what i wanted.. those couple side shoots have been the very first that plant has had, and today is the first time i saw them. the other plant has a few more side roots but still not acceptable.

i'll get this same photo in 24 hours and see whats up..

i'm gonna mix some agsil and koh in water at different amounts and see what kind of numbers i get.. maybe this will help determine my next ratios.
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I’ve been thinking about buying the set for years since my buddy Aqua tried to pry my wallet open when he showed this to me. Full set of 5 is what ya want tho 🤑
 
moe.red said:
I’ve been thinking about buying the set for years since my buddy Aqua tried to pry my wallet open when he showed this to me. Full set of 5 is what ya want tho 🤑
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yea i saw the whole rainbow of em...

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need to keep my eyes open on ebay... i bought both my bluelabs pens from there as "open box" both were used when i got them and sent pics to the seller and they gave me my money back and told me to keep them!!
 
ninjadip said:
Moe/aqua what's your opinion on extra molybdenum for root growth like the product rapid start?
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Supplements only really make a difference when you have a deficiency and an excess always causes problems so if you are seeing no problems then IMO no need to create them.

Nothing wrong with rapid start when used as directed. More beneficial when used in say RO.

This true of almost all supplements
 
Aqua Man said:
Supplements only really make a difference when you have a deficiency and an excess always causes problems so if you are seeing no problems then IMO no need to create them.

Nothing wrong with rapid start when used as directed. More beneficial when used in say RO.

This true of almost all supplements
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Makes sense, I'm on my first RO run and used rapid start at every change this time up until a few weeks ago, I couldn't be happier with the roots this go. I thought maybe it's cause of that and the bennies/mycro

Was just curious your opinion, thank you
 
Been thinking about your roots.

If these were clones it wouldn’t matter. But with seeds those tap roots head south until the meet resistance. Thinking about printing a disk that clips on to the bottom of the net pot to give it a reason to go sideways. I’ll send you a file when I get it done.

I just planted more seeds than I need and plan to cull some. I’ll experiment with that and maybe even bottoming the tap roots on a couple. Bottoming meaning opposite of topping. We need a word for that.
 
moe.red said:
Been thinking about your roots.

If these were clones it wouldn’t matter. But with seeds those tap roots head south until the meet resistance. Thinking about printing a disk that clips on to the bottom of the net pot to give it a reason to go sideways. I’ll send you a file when I get it done.

I just planted more seeds than I need and plan to cull some. I’ll experiment with that and maybe even bottoming the tap roots on a couple. Bottoming meaning opposite of topping. We need a word for that.
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Great idea @moe.red fucking fantastic idea. Would live to see how that works
 
Aqua Man said:
Looking way better
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yes, they are. not correct yet but much better. today i have some more burn on new growth..

last night i raised the light a few more inches getting prepped for adding the second light and today new growth has new burn.. and the fan has been off for three days.

i'm now taking the light out of the equation. it may have not helped getting pounded and blown but i don't think it was the initial cause... i assume a change out is my next step?

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ninjadip said:
Makes sense, I'm on my first RO run and used rapid start at every change this time up until a few weeks ago, I couldn't be happier with the roots this go. I thought maybe it's cause of that and the bennies/mycro

Was just curious your opinion, thank you
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that stuff is my favorite cloning solution!!! pricey, but it works great for me.

moe.red said:
Been thinking about your roots.

If these were clones it wouldn’t matter. But with seeds those tap roots head south until the meet resistance. Thinking about printing a disk that clips on to the bottom of the net pot to give it a reason to go sideways. I’ll send you a file when I get it done.

I just planted more seeds than I need and plan to cull some. I’ll experiment with that and maybe even bottoming the tap roots on a couple. Bottoming meaning opposite of topping. We need a word for that.
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i'm all ears Moe!!!! do ya think it will fit on my small 220mm print bed? i'd love to try it out!!!

bottoming the roots does need a name for their "down there care" haha
 
Aqua Man said:
How are the leaf temps looking now? Have to get the plant temps up and they will likely start drinking better and pulling more nutrients
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they're drinking for sure. in fact the rez is a couple inches low and i'm at the crossroads whether or not i start the top off procedure or do a change out...

right now the lower water level is probably encouraging side rooting so might not be a bad thing atm??

man leaf temps are still low. maybe a degree or two higher but even with the room temp 80 they're still low. and my air temp probes are right next to the plants at their level. even when i point the gun at the lids t temp shoots up to 75-78 then soon as it hits plants it drops to 62 and some even lower at 58 on the smaller plant.

i just don't understand. how can something so thin and small be so cold in there??? i need a radiant heater!! not a radiator!! haha i joke but man i just don't get the low temps. i've confirmed the gun is set to the hemp/leaf setting and the gun matches all the other temps i've tested and i now trust it and the numbers don't lie, the leaf temps are chilled to the bone! and not just the edges either, the whole leaf is that cool, even the newest growth next to the stalk.

i triple and quadruple checked every other number and water temps are still 70.5. air still 80 rh around 60 ph still 5.8 ppms still 300 i just don't get it. it's like they're anemic or something!!
 

before n after...

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both lights on winches and communicating with each other... got my floor cleaned up and taped the floor pan to the walls. got the best i can around the facility side..

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now i have twice the amount of torque.. still in first gear though until these Karens get over their HOA issues...

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pics from friday night... still got the dang curls!!

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i topped off with plain water tonight.. the black line represents the bottom of the netcup. the PPM is now 290 and i also added some enzymes. it might have been a waste if i do a change out but it was only a couple bucks worth.

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I did some testing and got some numbers..

the 2ml of agsil 16 and 1ml KOH together are 50 ppm
1ml of calimagic is 70 ppm
1ml of nova grow is 110 ppm

and the ingredients for nova grow are:

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so am i correct in thinking that i am giving them over 50% in total K? is that right? if 10% is 11ppm and i'm adding 50ppm for a total of 61ppm of K

is that enough for toxicity?

please help me @Aqua Man
 
Stoneyluv said:
pics from friday night... still got the dang curls!!

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i topped off with plain water tonight.. the black line represents the bottom of the netcup. the PPM is now 290 and i also added some enzymes. it might have been a waste if i do a change out but it was only a couple bucks worth.

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I did some testing and got some numbers..

the 2ml of agsil 16 and 1ml KOH together are 50 ppm
1ml of calimagic is 70 ppm
1ml of nova grow is 110 ppm

and the ingredients for nova grow are:

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so am i correct in thinking that i am giving them over 50% in total K? is that right? if 10% is 11ppm and i'm adding 50ppm for a total of 61ppm of K

is that enough for toxicity?

please help me @Aqua Man
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Cal mag is N you can have 2x the amount of N as K as ideal. I like a 2-1-3 or even 2-1-4 ratio.

I would concentrate on getting temps where they need to be. Maybe put the fan infront of the radiator to help distribute the heat more evenly for now?

You’re good IMO on the nutes
 
Aqua Man said:
Cal mag is N you can have 2x the amount of N as K as ideal. I like a 2-1-3 or even 2-1-4 ratio.

You’re good IMO on the nutes
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alright thanks man, i remember you telling me this before now that i think about it.

Aqua Man said:
I would concentrate on getting temps where they need to be. Maybe put the fan infront of the radiator to help distribute the heat more evenly for now?
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i will, i'll try a few different things and placement of the heater and see if i can improve it. i'll make it my number one priority.
 
Koh almost immediately breaks down into potassium ions and hydroxide ions. It’s what makes it a strong base. Both being ions meaning electrically charged the will get measured by EC.

So I would say half of the ppm increase is k

I gotta go find the breakdown path on agsil but iirc roughly half of that becomes k

So quick math is 25ppm k added from the buffer. Does not seem like too much. Also you said plants are drinking so k is probably ok.
 
moe.red said:
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Roots still not growing

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not the way i want em to anyway... some growth but not lateral enough. i've added some enzymes and also some GH rapid start so lets give em a few more days and see if there's any improvement.

Aqua Man said:
K double the amount of N
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i knew what ya meant when i read it... imn fact my numbers were a little better than that because i have more than just 110ppms of the nova grow, i have like double that so it stretches out that ratio a little more.

moe.red said:
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We will see.
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very cool man!!! can't wait to see how well it works!!!

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not a lot of change over the past couple days.. i got my temps up by raising the water temp up one degree also raised the air temp a little and i bumped up the light intensity a little. doing all three of these brought my leaf temps up to 74. i was thinking of making heat shrouds around the outside with a couple seedling mats. i'll try and set one up and see how it works.

i burned up my heater fucking around with them so much and had to buy another one. i'm just gonna leave em alone till tomorrow night or maybe later in the week. all that up and down ain't good for them anyway! so they kinda spent some time on the cold last night, got down to 73 at the lowest so not terrible but also not good for them.

i think they might look better i'll have to go back a week and compare. still getting the curls a little bit, mostly on the left plant yet. i didn't really do anything yet other than turn the fan off. i added the second light and they're back to 40% so even more now than what i had. i'm gonna hold here if i can without problems. been up since saturday night so three days now.

i'm still with the same solution and haven't done a change out or mixed new nutes up yet at all. i did add some enzymes on friday and then added some rapid start on saturday.

so two negative things happened here on sunday night. first the heater was wonky and that was most of the day sunday and all sunday night till today when i got the new one. (good news is i was able to fix the old one, it was the power switch that burned up, testing it now and works great again)
the second thing that happened was the rapid start dived the ph and i never thought to check. so they spent a night with low ph and then i overshot the up to 6.2 and had to add more down to get it to 5.8 i need to make sure whenever i add anything to check the numbers. i shuld have known better.


tonights pics... any thoughts you guys? opinions? concerns? they just seem to not have color in their cheeks, they're not happy so in turn neither am i.

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Stoneyluv said:
not the way i want em to anyway... some growth but not lateral enough. i've added some enzymes and also some GH rapid start so lets give em a few more days and see if there's any improvement.



i knew what ya meant when i read it... imn fact my numbers were a little better than that because i have more than just 110ppms of the nova grow, i have like double that so it stretches out that ratio a little more.



very cool man!!! can't wait to see how well it works!!!

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not a lot of change over the past couple days.. i got my temps up by raising the water temp up one degree also raised the air temp a little and i bumped up the light intensity a little. doing all three of these brought my leaf temps up to 74. i was thinking of making heat shrouds around the outside with a couple seedling mats. i'll try and set one up and see how it works.

i burned up my heater fucking around with them so much and had to buy another one. i'm just gonna leave em alone till tomorrow night or maybe later in the week. all that up and down ain't good for them anyway! so they kinda spent some time on the cold last night, got down to 73 at the lowest so not terrible but also not good for them.

i think they might look better i'll have to go back a week and compare. still getting the curls a little bit, mostly on the left plant yet. i didn't really do anything yet other than turn the fan off. i added the second light and they're back to 40% so even more now than what i had. i'm gonna hold here if i can without problems. been up since saturday night so three days now.

i'm still with the same solution and haven't done a change out or mixed new nutes up yet at all. i did add some enzymes on friday and then added some rapid start on saturday.

so two negative things happened here on sunday night. first the heater was wonky and that was most of the day sunday and all sunday night till today when i got the new one. (good news is i was able to fix the old one, it was the power switch that burned up, testing it now and works great again)
the second thing that happened was the rapid start dived the ph and i never thought to check. so they spent a night with low ph and then i overshot the up to 6.2 and had to add more down to get it to 5.8 i need to make sure whenever i add anything to check the numbers. i shuld have known better.


tonights pics... any thoughts you guys? opinions? concerns? they just seem to not have color in their cheeks, they're not happy so in turn neither am i.

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Look hungry to me. Consoder upping the ppm. Probably around 400 ish
 
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