Gassy Cream Cake Hydro scrog

[Zen_seeker]

not the way i want em to anyway... some growth but not lateral enough. i've added some enzymes and also some GH rapid start so lets give em a few more days and see if there's any improvement.



i knew what ya meant when i read it... imn fact my numbers were a little better than that because i have more than just 110ppms of the nova grow, i have like double that so it stretches out that ratio a little more.



very cool man!!! can't wait to see how well it works!!!

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not a lot of change over the past couple days.. i got my temps up by raising the water temp up one degree also raised the air temp a little and i bumped up the light intensity a little. doing all three of these brought my leaf temps up to 74. i was thinking of making heat shrouds around the outside with a couple seedling mats. i'll try and set one up and see how it works.

i burned up my heater fucking around with them so much and had to buy another one. i'm just gonna leave em alone till tomorrow night or maybe later in the week. all that up and down ain't good for them anyway! so they kinda spent some time on the cold last night, got down to 73 at the lowest so not terrible but also not good for them.

i think they might look better i'll have to go back a week and compare. still getting the curls a little bit, mostly on the left plant yet. i didn't really do anything yet other than turn the fan off. i added the second light and they're back to 40% so even more now than what i had. i'm gonna hold here if i can without problems. been up since saturday night so three days now.

i'm still with the same solution and haven't done a change out or mixed new nutes up yet at all. i did add some enzymes on friday and then added some rapid start on saturday.

so two negative things happened here on sunday night. first the heater was wonky and that was most of the day sunday and all sunday night till today when i got the new one. (good news is i was able to fix the old one, it was the power switch that burned up, testing it now and works great again)
the second thing that happened was the rapid start dived the ph and i never thought to check. so they spent a night with low ph and then i overshot the up to 6.2 and had to add more down to get it to 5.8 i need to make sure whenever i add anything to check the numbers. i shuld have known better.


tonights pics... any thoughts you guys? opinions? concerns? they just seem to not have color in their cheeks, they're not happy so in turn neither am i.

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Roots look a little better. Don’t think it’s wishful thinking.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Look hungry to me. Consoder upping the ppm. Probably around 400 ish

so i feel like a mess with all this but i decided to go ahead and give them a different diet. i cut out out the agsil16 and the KOH completely and decided to try the armor Si yet once more. maybe not so much as a buffer but to give them silica in their diet to help with the temps, or try to anyway!

so here's the recipe i added last night...



they survived the day so far...




we'll see how they look in couple days. i'm hopeful!

Roots look a little better. Don’t think it’s wishful thinking.

they are, whiter for sure. the enzymes seemed to kick in fast. during my change out last i took them out to clean the buckets dry and i could visually notice a difference. i gave em a double take as i wa carrying them to temporary buckets. like yeaaaahhh!!!!

not sure if your "canadazon" has it available to you but our prices weren't to inflated compared to other brands >> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8WJX5GQ

just hope the pretty new looks translates into pretty new growth and it's not just lipstick on a pig!!

i really want more side branching on both the roots and the plants. i gotta hit up Granny soon and see if i'm even close to topping yet.. doubt it.

but to be fair even with the curls and burns they're still bigger than the soil plants.. they don't look as healthy, but they're bigger for sure!!! and i mean i have nine blader's so i can't be doing it totally wrong i guess! yet??

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saw some roots in the cloner so i need to tend to those later tonight... tonight is my friday night, i have off for the rest of the weekend!!!!

 

[ninjadip]

so i feel like a mess with all this but i decided to go ahead and give them a different diet. i cut out out the agsil16 and the KOH completely and decided to try the armor Si yet once more. maybe not so much as a buffer but to give them silica in their diet to help with the temps, or try to anyway!

so here's the recipe i added last night...

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they survived the day so far...

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we'll see how they look in couple days. i'm hopeful!



they are, whiter for sure. the enzymes seemed to kick in fast. during my change out last i took them out to clean the buckets dry and i could visually notice a difference. i gave em a double take as i wa carrying them to temporary buckets. like yeaaaahhh!!!!

not sure if your "canadazon" has it available to you but our prices weren't to inflated compared to other brands >> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C8WJX5GQ

just hope the pretty new looks translates into pretty new growth and it's not just lipstick on a pig!!

i really want more side branching on both the roots and the plants. i gotta hit up Granny soon and see if i'm even close to topping yet.. doubt it.

but to be fair even with the curls and burns they're still bigger than the soil plants.. they don't look as healthy, but they're bigger for sure!!! and i mean i have nine blader's so i can't be doing it totally wrong i guess! yet??

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saw some roots in the cloner so i need to tend to those later tonight... tonight is my friday night, i have off for the rest of the weekend!!!!

I'm so glad they are doing better my man!

I've never used agsil or armor si. I've heard the armor si is "messy" what does that mean?

Edit topping, maybe I'm crazy I just do it when it feels right lol. I would do it now if it were me, I like the split earlier than later. But what do I know lol I barely got by with more than one grow by the skin of my teeth lol. What are we looking at 3/4th nodes now?

 

[Stoneyluv]

I'm so glad they are doing better my man!

I've never used agsil or armor si. I've heard the armor si is "messy" what does that mean?

Edit topping, maybe I'm crazy I just do it when it feels right lol. I would do it now if it were me, I like the split earlier than later. But what do I know lol I barely got by with more than one grow by the skin of my teeth lol. What are we looking at 3/4th nodes now?

i sure hope so.. i guess we'll know in day or two if they liked it!! have you noticed that the mr fulvic smells just like liquid smoke? ( the cooking marinade)

not sure why it termed messy.. maybe how it performs or works? the liquid itself is fine.. thin, light blue, mixes fast...



and yeah i think you're right, top at fourth node??? then again at node two from those shoots.
topping them might force side shoots..

 

[Zen_seeker]

I usually do my first topping between 4-8 nodes. For me it’s to control hight in the smaller zones.

If I’ve let the plant grow too tall I can use the cutting as a clone. I did it this round with my sons grow.

IIRC CG will top just before she drops the SCROG net.

 

[Driver77]

I'm about to try rdwc for the first time soon and noticed you have coco in your net....is it better than hydroton?....lol is it coco??

 

[moe.red]

I'm about to try rdwc for the first time soon and noticed you have coco in your net....is it better than hydroton?....lol is it coco??

I think he switched to coco because of me.

The medium you use effects the morphology of the roots - meaning how they structure themselves. There is nothing wrong with hydroton, but it is smooth and gappy and the roots can just slither by unimpeded.

I like my roots to be bush like - wide and branchy. What grows below is what supports up top. A long skinny tap root is not as good at producing a full scrog screen as a branchy bushy undercarriage.

With coco, there are lots of points of resistance to roots. Run into a chunk of perlite? change direction. All of the structure in coco in close proximity gives you more chances to have the root stop and branch.

So yeah, having grown with both for years I'm a coco fanboi. I've got some testing on root morphology happening on my thread right now.

This is what I want




To get there, you need to start with roots that look like this



Branching and reaching in every direction, not just a single thick tap root that heads straight down like you often see in hydro. The problem with hydro is lack of resistance to the roots unlike soil.

 

[Driver77]

I think he switched to coco because of me.

The medium you use effects the morphology of the roots - meaning how they structure themselves. There is nothing wrong with hydroton, but it is smooth and gappy and the roots can just slither by unimpeded.

I like my roots to be bush like - wide and branchy. What grows below is what supports up top. A long skinny tap root is not as good at producing a full scrog screen as a branchy bushy undercarriage.

With coco, there are lots of points of resistance to roots. Run into a chunk of perlite? change direction. All of the structure in coco in close proximity gives you more chances to have the root stop and branch.

So yeah, having grown with both for years I'm a coco fanboi. I've got some testing on root morphology happening on my thread right now.

This is what I want

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To get there, you need to start with roots that look like this

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Branching and reaching in every direction, not just a single thick tap root that heads straight down like you often see in hydro. The problem with hydro is lack of resistance to the roots unlike soil.

Nice!
So just pack it in tight? what keeps it from just falling out?

 

[moe.red]

Nice!
So just pack it in tight? what keeps it from just falling out?

Naw not too tight. The airstones in the grow sites will pressurize and push oxygen up thru the coco - you want that to avoid any anerobic zones. This prevents things like crown rot and nasty bugs in the roots.

It does fall out a little. Nothing too big tho and doesn't hurt anything. Once it is wet the coco does not move that much. If you put it in dry it will fall out of the cracks.

 

[ninjadip]

Naw not too tight. The airstones in the grow sites will pressurize and push oxygen up thru the coco - you want that to avoid any anerobic zones. This prevents things like crown rot and nasty bugs in the roots.

It does fall out a little. Nothing too big tho and doesn't hurt anything. Once it is wet the coco does not move that much. If you put it in dry it will fall out of the cracks.

You know I was wondering about you and stoney using this media. Figured it was root related.

Now does the ideal ph or feed change because of the media change?

 

[moe.red]

You know I was wondering about you and stoney using this media. Figured it was root related.

Now does the ideal ph or feed change because of the media change?

100% no.

Both medias are inert and have no impact on water chemistry. The only job they have is to provide a physical / mechanical mount point for roots and a wicking action for water and nutes.

If you set up a beaker with nute water from your res, fill a netcup with either and submerge it, come back in a few hours the PH will not have changed.

The ideal PH range is based on what molecules are available to head up the roots at different PH



We like 5.8 in hydro

 

[ninjadip]

100% no.

Both medias are inert and have no impact on water chemistry. The only job they have is to provide a physical / mechanical mount point for roots and a wicking action for water and nutes.

If you set up a beaker with nute water from your res, fill a netcup with either and submerge it, come back in a few hours the PH will not have changed.

The ideal PH range is based on what molecules are available to head up the roots at different PH

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We like 5.8 in hydro

Thanks I was wondering because I think I remember if doing normal coco you have to feed it more of something... But I forget mainly because I am not involved in coco. I didn't know if that also applied using the medium in a different way. I thought coco was predominantly inert, but you are def the best source for knowledge into this.

Thank you for scratching my curiosity

 

[moe.red]

Thanks I was wondering because I think I remember if doing normal coco you have to feed it more of something... But I forget mainly because I am not involved in coco. I didn't know if that also applied using the medium in a different way. I thought coco was predominantly inert, but you are def the best source for knowledge into this.

Thank you for scratching my curiosity

I think top feeding or drain to waste type situations require frequent watering. @Aqua Man is the expert on that stuff. I only use it for plain old hydro and fog. In that scenario it can be pretty much ignored

 

[Aqua Man]

I think top feeding or drain to waste type situations require frequent watering. @Aqua Man is the expert on that stuff. I only use it for plain old hydro and fog. In that scenario it can be pretty much ignored

It can be ignored with the coco of today. Its all rinsed and washed not all bound up with sodium.

 

[Stoneyluv]

I usually do my first topping between 4-8 nodes. For me it’s to control hight in the smaller zones.

If I’ve let the plant grow too tall I can use the cutting as a clone. I did it this round with my sons grow.

IIRC CG will top just before she drops the SCROG net.

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see what happens when ya spill coffee on your keyboard ^^ hahahaha

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i had asked CG to be my scrog mentor on this one so hopefully it will start to look just like something she would grow!! i see her lurking now and then so i know she's watching in... I just want them to be healthier before i top them.

I'm about to try rdwc for the first time soon and noticed you have coco in your net....is it better than hydroton?....lol is it coco??

this is great to hear, i'll be looking out if you decide to document it or journal your grow!!

and yes, like the guys said its coco and perlite mix about 70/30% ratio and rinsed quite a few times before hand.

just trying to get those roots to branch out better. this is what i get now and it's it's just not acceptable to me..

It can be ignored with the coco of today. Its all rinsed and washed not all bound up with sodium.

i don't know much about coco but i do know that all coconut husk comes from sri lanka. they have no fresh water source in their country so all coco gets washed in sea water before distribution and packaging. some companies pre wash before you get it but i didn't take any chances i wahed it a few times and checked with an EC pen before adding any perlite.

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another day and they're still alive... still don't have the color they should be... the cuttings in the corner of the photo should be their color..



i'm just missing something and i don't know what it is. i always knew i wasn't the best grower but i didn't think i'd suck this bad at hydro. it can really mess with a dudes melon i'll tell ya that much!

 

[moe.red]

This is what I use and I have tested it quite a bit. In my case it comes out of the bag ready to use. But washing sure does not hurt! You really want all the coco damp all the way thru before planting as it starts the capillary action. If you have a dry spot in the middle it almost acts hydrophobic



Mother Earth Coco + Perlite Mix, Growing Media for Indoor and Outdoor Container Gardening, 1.8 cu. ft.
https://a.co/d/8bmDKS7

 

[Aqua Man]

g bn
gyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyttttttttttttttttttttttttggggggggggggggggggjjjjhhhhjhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

see what happens when ya spill coffee on your keyboard ^^ hahahaha

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i had asked CG to be my scrog mentor on this one so hopefully it will start to look just like something she would grow!! i see her lurking now and then so i know she's watching in... I just want them to be healthier before i top them.



this is great to hear, i'll be looking out if you decide to document it or journal your grow!!

and yes, like the guys said its coco and perlite mix about 70/30% ratio and rinsed quite a few times before hand.

just trying to get those roots to branch out better. this is what i get now and it's it's just not acceptable to me..

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i don't know much about coco but i do know that all coconut husk comes from sri lanka. they have no fresh water source in their country so all coco gets washed in sea water before distribution and packaging. some companies pre wash before you get it but i didn't take any chances i wahed it a few times and checked with an EC pen before adding any perlite.

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another day and they're still alive... still don't have the color they should be... the cuttings in the corner of the photo should be their color..

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i'm just missing something and i don't know what it is. i always knew i wasn't the best grower but i didn't think i'd suck this bad at hydro. it can really mess with a dudes melon i'll tell ya that much!

Almost all is rinsed and buffered… i use canna have used bricks and bagged. I rinse the bricks mainly to remove more pith. You can absolutely rinse it but buffering is not needed it already is buffered.

Unlike before you had to soak it and buffer it. Honestly you don’t have to do anything tonit for most brands these days.

 

[Stoneyluv]

This is what I use and I have tested it quite a bit. In my case it comes out of the bag ready to use. But washing sure does not hurt! You really want all the coco damp all the way thru before planting as it starts the capillary action. If you have a dry spot in the middle it almost acts hydrophobic

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Mother Earth Coco + Perlite Mix, Growing Media for Indoor and Outdoor Container Gardening, 1.8 cu. ft.
https://a.co/d/8bmDKS7

yeah i saw that was the stuff you were using in your thread, thats where i got the 70/30 mix formula from. i ended up using some of the coco i keep on hand for my worm farm and i always have perlite on hand!!

you had told me before to keep it moist so did, i used some orca in it to get the bennies going from the start. next time i'll know to add a little more goodies in there.

i tried to keep the packing light but when i messed around with those elbows it eroded some of the coco from the cups so i had to pack it in the one side of each cup, must have not been too much because the roots are still growing the tighter spots.

onwards and upwards i hope...

Almost all is rinsed and buffered… i use canna have used bricks and bagged. I rinse the bricks mainly to remove more pith. You can absolutely rinse it but buffering is not needed it already is buffered.

Unlike before you had to soak it and buffer it. Honestly you don’t have to do anything tonit for most brands these days.

i got mine so long ago i can't remember the brand, not sure if it was grow specific or not?? it was a brick, i had to use my chop saw to cut it into smaller chunks to soak and expand. i can't imagine how big the entire block would expand to!! need a wheel barrel!! haha

i don't have much experience but as a beginner i don't notice much difference in coco to hydroten. the plants seem more stable in coco. plus the coco does fall out every time i lift the plants up and tilt them.. forgot about that pita with hydroten. theres a plus for coco!!

 

[Aqua Man]

yeah i saw that was the stuff you were using in your thread, thats where i got the 70/30 mix formula from. i ended up using some of the coco i keep on hand for my worm farm and i always have perlite on hand!!

you had told me before to keep it moist so did, i used some orca in it to get the bennies going from the start. next time i'll know to add a little more goodies in there.

i tried to keep the packing light but when i messed around with those elbows it eroded some of the coco from the cups so i had to pack it in the one side of each cup, must have not been too much because the roots are still growing the tighter spots.

onwards and upwards i hope...

i got mine so long ago i can't remember the brand, not sure if it was grow specific or not?? it was a brick, i had to use my chop saw to cut it into smaller chunks to soak and expand. i can't imagine how big the entire block would expand to!! need a wheel barrel!! haha

i don't have much experience but as a beginner i don't notice much difference in coco to hydroten. the plants seem more stable in coco. plus the coco does fall out every time i lift the plants up and tilt them.. forgot about that pita with hydroten. theres a plus for coco!!

Yeah you can use even more perlite in hydro. I prefer hydroton for hydro unless injecting o2 into the rootzone . Even then its not a huge issue but in fog and aero with o2 injection i think it would make a much bigger difference so if running those then coco like @moe.red uses

 

[Aqua Man]

Canna is washed and buffered and because i have used it extensively thats what i recommend… that doesn’t means other brands may not be even better. I just know it works well straight from the bag or brick.

 

[Stoneyluv]

made cool shower rings like the Grumpster has!! i drew and printed that one of a kind curved tee.




curls and burns got a little worse so i reduced the light back down again to 15-30-30 . i also turned the pump up one notch to circulate the water a little faster. just to see if it does anything positive.

still got skinny roots... i want the fat bottom girls!!

 

[moe.red]

Have you had to transplant the soil plants yet? Getting a good root ball there?

Can’t help but feel like we are missing something it’s not supposed to be this hard.

 

[Stoneyluv]

Have you had to transplant the soil plants yet? Getting a good root ball there?

no, but just last night i was training them and see that i need to... i was measuring a couple boards to see if i can keep them elevated for a bit more to work on them, really nice not to have to bend over yet!!

Can’t help but feel like we are missing something it’s not supposed to be this hard.

i'm with ya man. this part shouldn't be the tricky time at all.. i only know one way to fix thing and thats throw money at it! haha so last night while i was online shopping for the "correct" kitchen sink fittings (turns out it wasn't just a gasket problem!) i got suckered into buying the flora trio. so many of you guys use it and can maybe help me at least rule another thing out for sure. plus i figured i already now have the rest of the gh line so rabbit hole deal..

 

[moe.red]

no, but just last night i was training them and see that i need to... i was measuring a couple boards to see if i can keep them elevated for a bit more to work on them, really nice not to have to bend over yet!!



i'm with ya man. this part shouldn't be the tricky time at all.. i only know one way to fix thing and thats throw money at it! haha so last night while i was online shopping for the "correct" kitchen sink fittings (turns out it wasn't just a gasket problem!) i got suckered into buying the flora trio. so many of you guys use it and can maybe help me at least rule another thing out for sure. plus i figured i already now have the rest of the gh line so rabbit hole deal..

Well I can for sure help you dial that in. When I get downstairs later I’ll share my calculator and notes on that.

What I do is start with a no plants system topped up with RO. Take a ppm reading. Use the 500 scale to make calculation easier.

Say you start at 30ppm.

Add in x amount of one of the 4 (trio plus cal mag) x is a number that makes calculations easy and gets you somewhere in the 50ppm range higher which is dependent on system water amount.

Example I run 88 gallons in my system. I can add 100ml of each and still be below 250ppm when all are in.

Doing them one at a time means you know how many ppm per ml will go up per nute.

With that info you can precisely figure out how much of each to add using a starting ppm and a desired ratio which changes over the grow.

This method will absolutely get you on the fairway. You may need to tweak a little one way or the other depending on genetics or time of the year (environment) but it will be relatively easy to watch the plants and respond.

Having the 4 bottles helps you to be able to play with things like added K from sources like agsil without going over or starving N or whatever.

Good call my man. This will help you a lot on your next grow. I doubt it will be the messiah on this one tho.

Got any of those enzymes left? I might mix up a strong batch in a vessel just large enough to submerge the roots and netpot and give them a bath. Try to exfoliate and wake those roots up!

 

[Stoneyluv]

Well I can for sure help you dial that in. When I get downstairs later I’ll share my calculator and notes on that.

What I do is start with a no plants system topped up with RO. Take a ppm reading. Use the 500 scale to make calculation easier.

Say you start at 30ppm.

Add in x amount of one of the 4 (trio plus cal mag) x is a number that makes calculations easy and gets you somewhere in the 50ppm range higher which is dependent on system water amount.

Example I run 88 gallons in my system. I can add 100ml of each and still be below 250ppm when all are in.

Doing them one at a time means you know how many ppm per ml will go up per nute.

With that info you can precisely figure out how much of each to add using a starting ppm and a desired ratio which changes over the grow.

This method will absolutely get you on the fairway. You may need to tweak a little one way or the other depending on genetics or time of the year (environment) but it will be relatively easy to watch the plants and respond.

thats what i was hoping for. it's tough for anyone to really help when i'm the only one here using nova and i just feel my hands were tied up in ratio and had no option to change npk.

i don't know why i was nervous about it back when i started, something about needing to be careful how to mix and when,, and here i am now mixing like ten things in water anyway!

Having the 4 bottles helps you to be able to play with things like added K from sources like agsil without going over or starving N or whatever.

Good call my man. This will help you a lot on your next grow. I doubt it will be the messiah on this one tho.

i don't expect it to be my wonder fix. just weird to me though the first grow used the same light/spectrum, same buckets/rdwc setup, same nutrients (different bottles/batches) same temps/rh, same air/co2, same grower.. ha i mean nothing changed.

even the short lived second round with the mites, i didn't have the leaf curl then either.

and why didn't i have an issue for the first couple weeks.. just weird. i keep going over it in my head looking for a clue i missed or something that changed that i forgot.

here's some changes.. the coco/perlite? smaller net cups? silicon caulk to hold the new netcup in place?

another detail to mention but i doubt it;s anything important but when i recently did the change out i forgot to run the pump line empty before completely draining. so when i filled it up and turned it on the old solution in that 8-10 foot 1" tube mixed into the new solution.

Got any of those enzymes left? I might mix up a strong batch in a vessel just large enough to submerge the roots and netpot and give them a bath. Try to exfoliate and wake those roots up!

i do, i have half the bottle yet. i was thinking of maybe putting a concentrated drop or two right on the coco to absorb in the sweet spot.

they both did look a little better riht before lights out this morning so maybe they'll look even better this afternoon. fingers crossed!!

 

[moe.red]

We have very imperfect knowledge here.

We don’t know the exact chemistry in your res.
We don’t know if there was a containment still working its way out.
We don’t know if the temps and rh being correct from the start would have given the plant a healthy enough start to push thru any minor issues.

We don’t know about the genetics. I have found some strains will never fully recover at least by my hand when given a poor start. Others can be more robust if you get back to giving them what they need. Seems like the further genetics are diluted from landraces they get more picky. At first when you start crossing you get potentially a hybrid vigor which is better than the parents. The more generations you pull off this and other hybrids the pickier they seem to get. Think about dogs. Wolves are badass. So are German Shepards. wtf is this?


Something from greenpoint called super skunk dog?

I feel your pain bro. I’ve been here. This is the steep part of the learning curve on hydro. You never really get good at this until you get your ass kicked. Human nature.

Hydro is about removing limits to growth. This means that in some ways the grow style itself is pushing plants beyond what they consider natural. I’ve never seen a pot plant growing in a stream.

If you push a plant that looks like that dog and don’t provide exactly what it needs along the way it may get pissy.

We don’t know a lot. I’m just falling back on experience here.

This plant is still not ready to be pushed at all imo. Ppfd down environment perfect good oxygenated res with the right chemistry and a goal towards encouraging root growth is my advice. If you are confident you are getting good air I’d raise the res temp up a bit. There are other things we can add to feed roots too, but let’s not do too much at once. I’ll be sending you this box on Monday so we have until Sunday nite to figure if hormones or vitamins might help. I use this stuff in tissue culture and the mix you use sends the growth one way or another. IBA/NAA rooting would be my first thought.



At this point if you had hemp russet mites it would be obvious. I think we can cross pests off the list.

 

[Zen_seeker]

no, but just last night i was training them and see that i need to... i was measuring a couple boards to see if i can keep them elevated for a bit more to work on them, really nice not to have to bend over yet!!



i'm with ya man. this part shouldn't be the tricky time at all.. i only know one way to fix thing and thats throw money at it! haha so last night while i was online shopping for the "correct" kitchen sink fittings (turns out it wasn't just a gasket problem!) i got suckered into buying the flora trio. so many of you guys use it and can maybe help me at least rule another thing out for sure. plus i figured i already now have the rest of the gh line so rabbit hole deal..

I was leaning GH trio as well when I started. Only went with the Botanicare Kind trio as it was $25 for all three bottles on clearance. Got a few years worth but almost gone.

Let me know what you think. Pipecarver swears by it. He’s won a few contests so it’s not a bad choice.

 

[Zen_seeker]

I’ve never seen a pot plant growing in a stream.

There was that one plant of G$ that floated downstream two years ago before getting dumped on a log jam. Think it was dubbed Steamboat.

If you push a plant that looks like that dog and don’t provide exactly what it needs along the way it may get pissy.

I’m trying to get one of my sons back into the game. I call it Fugly. After a month of tending it I just cut off the unmanageable limbs and tried some LST to try and make her manageable and happy. She looks a lot better but she’ll never be a rock star. If it wasn’t for time we’d have pulled it.

 

[Stoneyluv]

We have very imperfect knowledge here.

We don’t know the exact chemistry in your res.
We don’t know if there was a containment still working its way out.
We don’t know if the temps and rh being correct from the start would have given the plant a healthy enough start to push thru any minor issues.

We don’t know about the genetics. I have found some strains will never fully recover at least by my hand when given a poor start. Others can be more robust if you get back to giving them what they need. Seems like the further genetics are diluted from landraces they get more picky. At first when you start crossing you get potentially a hybrid vigor which is better than the parents. The more generations you pull off this and other hybrids the pickier they seem to get. Think about dogs. Wolves are badass. So are German Shepards. wtf is this?
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Something from greenpoint called super skunk dog?

I feel your pain bro. I’ve been here. This is the steep part of the learning curve on hydro. You never really get good at this until you get your ass kicked. Human nature.

Hydro is about removing limits to growth. This means that in some ways the grow style itself is pushing plants beyond what they consider natural. I’ve never seen a pot plant growing in a stream.

If you push a plant that looks like that dog and don’t provide exactly what it needs along the way it may get pissy.

We don’t know a lot. I’m just falling back on experience here.

This plant is still not ready to be pushed at all imo. Ppfd down environment perfect good oxygenated res with the right chemistry and a goal towards encouraging root growth is my advice. If you are confident you are getting good air I’d raise the res temp up a bit. There are other things we can add to feed roots too, but let’s not do too much at once. I’ll be sending you this box on Monday so we have until Sunday nite to figure if hormones or vitamins might help. I use this stuff in tissue culture and the mix you use sends the growth one way or another. IBA/NAA rooting would be my first thought.

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At this point if you had hemp russet mites it would be obvious. I think we can cross pests off the list.

that dog made me laugh, then the GP comment put it over the top!! hahaha

but sadly that dog is my right hand plant... the left one is the same dog but after a day of grooming!

i get what you're saying and thanks for tearing off the bandaid. i really was hoping they would just snap out of it and started growing like nothing happened. at first of reading that it made me sad, like no not another failed grow... but after reading this and accepting it today i understand.

i might have some rooting stuff with those two ingredients, let me look on my cart later. i have some vitamin B i could add, i keep it for my water barrel that waters my soil plants, every time i fill it i add a small scoop. i could add some to the hydro rez.. can't hurt.

I was leaning GH trio as well when I started. Only went with the Botanicare Kind trio as it was $25 for all three bottles on clearance. Got a few years worth but almost gone.

Let me know what you think. Pipecarver swears by it. He’s won a few contests so it’s not a bad choice.

i should have from the beginning man, lots of folks here use it.. five or six off the top of my head. it was only like $26 delivered for all three quarts to get me started. i've spent a lot more than that in the nutes i have now thats a fact!! i should get it tomorrow already!

There was that one plant of G$ that floated downstream two years ago before getting dumped on a log jam. Think it was dubbed Steamboat.


I’m trying to get one of my sons back into the game. I call it Fugly. After a month of tending it I just cut off the unmanageable limbs and tried some LST to try and make her manageable and happy. She looks a lot better but she’ll never be a rock star. If it wasn’t for time we’d have pulled it.

man i don't think he thought that was very funny!!! how can we laugh at one mans misfortune like that? oh yeah i forgot, thats what makes the world go round!! haha

 

[Zen_seeker]

man i don't think he thought that was very funny!!! how can we laugh at one mans misfortune like that? oh yeah i forgot, thats what makes the world go round!! haha

We laughed about it a few times.

Mammoth was the one that hurt. Got WPM and rot iirc.