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Stoneyluv said:
I know some stuff about this maybe I can help.. When your RO is filling for two days is your well pump still cycling on and off at the controller? Another wards is your RO filling off of your bladder tank and that fils and empties normal? You mentioned getting a new controller, it just points inside like an antique car right? Did you adjust these at all? When I get home later I can post ya some pics.
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Yeah the pump kicks on normally at 48 psi on the pressure tank and off at 68. Pressure switch is working fine. It's smoking the capacitor in the pump controller. Here's the controller...

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I checked the windings with my meter. R/Y - 58 ohms, Y/B - 72 ohms, R/B - 22 ohms. That's telling me there's a short in the motor winding. To my knowledge, they should all read about the same. (That's wrong - the lower two values should add up to the larger number, so I've recently read). Each leg has 1-3k ohms to ground, though. There should be nothing there.
 
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GrumpAzz said:
Yeah the pump kicks on normally at 48 psi on the pressure tank and off at 68. Pressure switch is working fine. It's smoking the capacitor in the pump controller. Here's the controller...

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I checked the windings with my meter. R/Y - 58 ohms, Y/B - 72 ohms, R/B - 22 ohms. That's telling me there's a short in the motor winding. To my knowledge, they should all read about the same. (That's wrong - the lower two values should add up to the larger number, so I've recently read). Each leg has 1-3k ohms to ground, though. There should be nothing there.
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something doesn't sound right man.. those pumps are pretty standard when it comes to colors. common is normally black. yellow is run, and red is start. run to C (y-B) should be the lowest one, it takes the least to power. the next one should be the start wire (R-B) this should just be a little higher maybe within 10-15 ohms, it takes a little more juice at start up. (hence the controller needing the capacitor) and run to start should show you a pretty high reading. i've never relied on the adding the two to equals the third, maybe with some but not all.

your run wire reading so high has me really concerned and would in fact cause a load Cap to stress!! not totally shorted that it won't work but probably just enough windings shorted to cause problems.

do you happen to know what name pump is in there? manuf and size? i know it's very tough when buying a home, not everybody passes that info along. almost all companies list what the exact measurements should be.
 
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Stoneyluv said:
do you happen to know what name pump is in there? manuf and size? i know it's very tough when buying a home, not everybody passes that info along. almost all companies list what the exact measurements should be.
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No idea on the brand and I am assuming it's a half-horse by the controller nameplate. It shouldn't have any ohms to ground on any of those leads, though, so the motor is toast. I don't know how deep the well is either. I tried to pull it up and could barely budge it, so I called somebody. They're gonna try to get out here tomorrow.
 
GrumpAzz said:
No idea on the brand and I am assuming it's a half-horse by the controller nameplate. It shouldn't have any ohms to ground on any of those leads, though, so the motor is toast. I don't know how deep the well is either. I tried to pull it up and could barely budge it, so I called somebody. They're gonna try to get out here tomorrow.
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that really sucks man, i've replaced mine three times in thirty years. first two were cheapos and then i got talked into buying a high quality all 304 stainless model and buying the better one was the best thing i did. i was in my late 30's when this one was last changed. i helped, but there is no way in hell i'd be able to do it myself.

i'm curious how deep yours is, mine is 165'
 
Stoneyluv said:
i'm curious how deep yours is, mine is 165'
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I'll hang around and find out. We've got a really high water table out here but I couldn't make an accurate guess.

I gotta get up in the morning and go buy another controller so they don't need to go down into the basement. I'd rather them not set eyes on my setup.
 
@Stoneyluv
So she's like 25-30ft down 🤣
The rope was looped around the flange from when it was last replaced. That's why I couldn't budge it.

It's quite a bit older so I'm guessing it was just on its last leg and sat unused for so long that it only lasted us a month. Surely my RO has nothing to do with it, right?
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Leaking discharge and a hole.in the motor housing. They got the water on but they'll have to come back tomorrow with a backhoe.

My dumbass digging that hole yesterday saved us. They wouldn't have known the discharge was leaking if it didn't fill up the hole that I dug... that there is THE definition of dumb luck.
 
What is that grumps.is that a water pipe that down to the water table or something.excuse my dumb head 😂
 
Max said:
What is that grumps.is that a water pipe that down to the water table or something.excuse my dumb head 😂
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Yeah that's my well pump. Water's pretty high around here. Don't worry Max. I'm dumb too.

Looking at the picture now... I can see that discharge valve is fucked from here. Big dent in the bottom side of it.
 
GrumpAzz said:
It's quite a bit older so I'm guessing it was just on its last leg and sat unused for so long that it only lasted us a month. Surely my RO has nothing to do with it, right?
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yeah i'm chalking it up to a coincidence that it went bad right when you filled your RO. ive seen people leave their water on all week by accident. so i don't think it caused it.

damn though only 30ft?!?1? no wonder your water sucks, it never has enough space and filtering to clean itself.

good news is glad you were able to get it fixed so quickly!!

did they have to go in your basement?
 
I had to pull mine one time. Ours is pretty shallow, too. It jumps a bit when the pump starts and stops. Insulation on the wires wore through rubbing against the casing. I just replaced the wires and added more cable guards to prevent the rubbing. The pump is a dinosaur. I figure it will die during the blizzard of the century or some other horrible time to replace it, lol.

I can't tell from your photo if you had the cable guards securing the wires to the pipe. If not, it might be worth taking a look and seeing if they make sense for your system.

Good luck and I hope all of this fixes your issues.
 
Stoneyluv said:
did they have to go in your basement?
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They did. I turned everything off so there wasn't any lights or sounds so hopefully they didn't pay too much attention. I was down there with them and only noticed one little glance towards the grow. I tipped them 20 bucks before finding out they had to come back. Told my wife it was to "pay for their silence" 🤣
 
So I've got 9 of these...
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... and my plugs came in today, so I planted them all. I didn't presoak them like suggested, only because I never have. Should this round fail (I don't think it will), I'll presoak the next ones.

My RO tank is coming in at 40ppm for some reason. I'll use it but I'd like to get that back down to zero. I'll use what's been made for the H202 run to clear out all the bleach. Hopefully I just had a dirty tank from the move. All that was a blur and who knows what steps I missed in the excitement.

Anyways.. here's to a successful germ ratio. I only need 4 keepers
 
After some reading, I'm under the impression that my RO is coming out at 40ppm because of low water pressure. I'll be adding a booster pump to remedy this when it's affordable. I just put new tires on my truck and got the heater fixed the day before my well shot shit. So 1300 plus about 3k for the well work will put any and all projects on the backburner for now. Luckily, my grow is ready to go, minus the 40ppm water. A booster pump won't cost much so it may happen sooner than later. I just gotta watch my funds for a couple weeks.
 
Looking at this...
www.bulkreefsupply.com

1/4" 8800 Booster Pump Kit

Boost Your RO/DI System's Performance Solves Low Pressure Problems: Ideal for RO/DI systems needing a pressure increase. Complete Solution: Includes all necessary components for a quick setup. Enhanced Efficiency: Improves waste water ratio and membrane performance. Noise-Reducing Design...
www.bulkreefsupply.com www.bulkreefsupply.com
Anything else necessary?
 
GrumpAzz said:
After some reading, I'm under the impression that my RO is coming out at 40ppm because of low water pressure. I'll be adding a booster pump to remedy this when it's affordable. I just put new tires on my truck and got the heater fixed the day before my well shot shit. So 1300 plus about 3k for the well work will put any and all projects on the backburner for now. Luckily, my grow is ready to go, minus the 40ppm water. A booster pump won't cost much so it may happen sooner than later. I just gotta watch my funds for a couple weeks.
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thats sucks man, i know 40 ain't much... do you have any idea what that 40 is? i mean maybe you can deal with whatever it's letting by and just slightly adjust your nutes maybe?
 
That is a good pump.
I have it and believe Moe does also.
It will change your game with the RO.
Besides the lower PPM you will fill much faster and waste less water which may become very important with a well.
Does your RO have one of these already?
www.bulkreefsupply.com

1/4" Auto Shut Off Valve

Installation Instructions 1/4" Automatic shut off valves are used with float valves or pressurized tanks to shut off an RO system. It utilizes the back pressure created by the float valve or pressurized tank to shut off the water supply to the membrane. Without an automatic shut off valve...
www.bulkreefsupply.com www.bulkreefsupply.com
 
Stoneyluv said:
thats sucks man, i know 40 ain't much... do you have any idea what that 40 is? i mean maybe you can deal with whatever it's letting by and just slightly adjust your nutes maybe?
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I don't have any test strips so I'm not sure.

Boosting the pressure should help with more than just that, though. Like Steam says, it'll change the game.

steamroller said:
Does your RO have one of these already?
www.bulkreefsupply.com

1/4" Auto Shut Off Valve

Installation Instructions 1/4" Automatic shut off valves are used with float valves or pressurized tanks to shut off an RO system. It utilizes the back pressure created by the float valve or pressurized tank to shut off the water supply to the membrane. Without an automatic shut off valve...
www.bulkreefsupply.com www.bulkreefsupply.com
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Yeah it's got the auto-shutoff valve. Otherwise I'd need a pressure switch, right? It's a pretty nice 4-stage system. I forget the brand, though. I'm pretty sure it's the same filter setup that @Bandit420 uses.

I'm pretty sure that link I shared should be all I need.
 
Yea the kit has all that is needed to set it and forget it.
I ran my RO to 3 different barrels[ Brutes] all with float valves in them.
One was RO/DI and the other 2 were just RO before the DI.
I only used DI for my marine reef tank.
Without DI and using the pump I got from 350TDS+ down to 20.
With DI it was 0.
 
steamroller said:
Yea the kit has all that is needed to set it and forget it.
I ran my RO to 3 different barrels[ Brutes] all with float valves in them.
One was RO/DI and the other 2 were just RO before the DI.
I only used DI for my marine reef tank.
Without DI and using the pump I got from 350TDS+ down to 20.
With DI it was 0.
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That's awesome.

Yeah the water at my last place was 550+ and the DI brought it down to 0. I'm a big fan of the zero. Let's me know exactly what's in the water.
 
GrumpAzz said:
Looking at this...
www.bulkreefsupply.com

1/4" 8800 Booster Pump Kit

Boost Your RO/DI System's Performance Solves Low Pressure Problems: Ideal for RO/DI systems needing a pressure increase. Complete Solution: Includes all necessary components for a quick setup. Enhanced Efficiency: Improves waste water ratio and membrane performance. Noise-Reducing Design...
www.bulkreefsupply.com www.bulkreefsupply.com
Anything else necessary?
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Loosely following along and pretty much confused....The 50 gallons in two days is an alarm. That should be 50 gallons in around 12 hours even with a 1:1 waste ratio.
I haven't seen your waste ratio and IDK if we're still using the same system because last year I changed out to a custom rig with the option for RO but main focus is on removal of chloramine since I'm organic and that matters more to me than 100-150 of mystery PPM.
I'm in a drought too so even the 1:1 is too wasteful for me so I've been bypassing the RO membrane on my system and collecting 100% of all the filtered water.

Most RO systems require a minimum of 40 PSI to work properly and is why I like my RO filter system to have a PSI gauge. This 40 PSI is ez off a city fed water line but with a well yeah you may need that booster pump
 
Bandit420 said:
Loosely following along and pretty much confused....The 50 gallons in two days is an alarm. That should be 50 gallons in around 12 hours even with a 1:1 waste ratio.
I haven't seen your waste ratio and IDK if we're still using the same system because last year I changed out to a custom rig with the option for RO but main focus is on removal of chloramine since I'm organic and that matters more to me than 100-150 of mystery PPM.
I'm in a drought too so even the 1:1 is too wasteful for me so I've been bypassing the RO membrane on my system and collecting 100% of all the filtered water.

Most RO systems require a minimum of 40 PSI to work properly and is why I like my RO filter system to have a PSI gauge. This 40 PSI is ez off a city fed water line but with a well yeah you may need that booster pump
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Yeah for sure. Right now it sits around 25 psi. That just won't cut it. I'm still on the 4:1 waste ratio, though. After the booster pump addition, I'll throw in one of those fittings you recommended a while back. I have it but never installed it.

I agree that the fill rate is alarmingly slow. That's what got me thinking about the booster pump.
 
GrumpAzz said:
So I've got 9 of these...
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... and my plugs came in today, so I planted them all. I didn't presoak them like suggested, only because I never have. Should this round fail (I don't think it will), I'll presoak the next ones.

My RO tank is coming in at 40ppm for some reason. I'll use it but I'd like to get that back down to zero. I'll use what's been made for the H202 run to clear out all the bleach. Hopefully I just had a dirty tank from the move. All that was a blur and who knows what steps I missed in the excitement.

Anyways.. here's to a successful germ ratio. I only need 4 keepers
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I have 1 going now, you'll love these 🔥🔥
 
Hell yea definitely watching to see how these go I got a few from my order, name just tells me it's gotta be tasty
 
I was expecting to see something sprout, either tonight or tomorrow morning, so I went down this morning to kick on the light. This poor fart sprouted in 2.5 days and has been in the dark since. I'm glad I checked on 'em.
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